Comments on: Why I’m assigning Full Frontal Feminism: a follow-up http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/ Author, Speaker, Professor, Shattering Gender Myths Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:08:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: I Pledge To Do Better at Listening to Women of Color–Just Not These Women of Color, Because They’re Mean « Off Our Pedestals http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23105 I Pledge To Do Better at Listening to Women of Color–Just Not These Women of Color, Because They’re Mean « Off Our Pedestals Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:20:13 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23105 [...] Hugo Schwyzer, May 2007: Part of being committed to social justice — particularly as a feminist and as a Christian — is learning to not only listen to criticism, but to really hear it. The left is famous for its internecine wars; in the feminist world, the most common accusations are of “privilege”, “insensitivity”, and “marginalization.” All of us who are committed to gender justice understand that an atmosphere of honest dialogue and accountability is important. As we build and expand a movement, it’s vital that no group gets left behind. [...] [...] Hugo Schwyzer, May 2007: Part of being committed to social justice — particularly as a feminist and as a Christian — is learning to not only listen to criticism, but to really hear it. The left is famous for its internecine wars; in the feminist world, the most common accusations are of “privilege”, “insensitivity”, and “marginalization.” All of us who are committed to gender justice understand that an atmosphere of honest dialogue and accountability is important. As we build and expand a movement, it’s vital that no group gets left behind. [...]

]]> By: Feminist blogosphere: Love it or leave it « Vox ex Machina http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23104 Feminist blogosphere: Love it or leave it « Vox ex Machina Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:58:50 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23104 [...] Or how about this: Anyone who’s been reading the feminist blogs in the past week knows that we’ve come dangerously close to forming the proverbial circular firing squad. — Hugo Schwyzer, back in May  [...] [...] Or how about this: Anyone who’s been reading the feminist blogs in the past week knows that we’ve come dangerously close to forming the proverbial circular firing squad. — Hugo Schwyzer, back in May  [...]

]]> By: Rosie http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23103 Rosie Fri, 23 Nov 2007 04:20:31 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23103 Hey I've read both Max L and FFF. Never thought I'd see that comparison come up. There are so many more open minded christians out there than anyone knows. Also, the wierd thing with all this criticism is that there are plenty of other books out there about feminism,,,,, this one, like many others, works really well for some people and not others. I thought the writing style of this book was totally too young for me but that doesn't mean I didn't gain a lot from it and that a lot of teenagers or women who are new to the issues are gonna gain even more from it. I didn't find it racially exclusive at all. There are girls out there who need a book just like this, and they wouldn't feel comfortable yet with something heavier. People need time to grow and how could anyone deny them they're stepping stones. Hey I’ve read both Max L and FFF. Never thought I’d see that comparison come up. There are so many more open minded christians out there than anyone knows.
Also, the wierd thing with all this criticism is that there are plenty of other books out there about feminism,,,,, this one, like many others, works really well for some people and not others. I thought the writing style of this book was totally too young for me but that doesn’t mean I didn’t gain a lot from it and that a lot of teenagers or women who are new to the issues are gonna gain even more from it. I didn’t find it racially exclusive at all.
There are girls out there who need a book just like this, and they wouldn’t feel comfortable yet with something heavier. People need time to grow and how could anyone deny them they’re stepping stones.

]]> By: Bob http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23102 Bob Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:46:07 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23102 The class is a flagrant flouting of Title IX. It would only be legal if equal masculist teaching was being done. Feminist hate masquerading as a college class at taxpayer expense is unadulterated evil. The class is a flagrant flouting of Title IX. It would only be legal if equal masculist teaching was being done.

Feminist hate masquerading as a college class at taxpayer expense is unadulterated evil.

]]> By: Being Amber Rhea » Blog Archive » links for 2007-05-25 http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23101 Being Amber Rhea » Blog Archive » links for 2007-05-25 Fri, 25 May 2007 23:40:16 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23101 [...] Why I’m assigning Full Frontal Feminism: a follow-up at Hugo Schwyzer (tags: feminism books blogs) [...] [...] Why I’m assigning Full Frontal Feminism: a follow-up at Hugo Schwyzer (tags: feminism books blogs) [...]

]]> By: Hugo Schwyzer http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23100 Hugo Schwyzer Thu, 24 May 2007 00:27:55 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23100 Callie, I promise a thoughtful response tomorrow. Callie, I promise a thoughtful response tomorrow.

]]> By: Callie http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23099 Callie Wed, 23 May 2007 23:30:38 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23099 Sorry, I meant: You really need to learn that this is the message you're sending. People are trying to teach this to you and you’re not listening. Sorry, I meant:

You really need to learn that this is the message you’re sending. People are trying to teach this to you and you’re not listening.

]]> By: Callie http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23098 Callie Wed, 23 May 2007 23:29:21 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23098 <i> "it’s one thing to say “I disagree with your conclusion” and another to say “You have no right to say what you said”. " </i> But you didn't say, "I disagree with your conclusion." You said, "Here’s hoping we can get our eyes back on the prize." That very clear subtext of a comment like that is "get over it, we have bigger issues." It's dismissive. You really need to learn that message. People are trying to teach it to you and you're not listening. “it’s one thing to say “I disagree with your conclusion” and another to say “You have no right to say what you said”. ”

But you didn’t say, “I disagree with your conclusion.” You said, “Here’s hoping we can get our eyes back on the prize.” That very clear subtext of a comment like that is “get over it, we have bigger issues.” It’s dismissive.

You really need to learn that message. People are trying to teach it to you and you’re not listening.

]]> By: Hugo Schwyzer http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23097 Hugo Schwyzer Wed, 23 May 2007 20:14:03 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23097 I read it, labyrus, and it does make me sad. I did feel that Amazon's criticisms were unwarranted. I am sorry that she has been attacked and maligned, however; it's one thing to say "I disagree with your conclusion" and another to say "You have no right to say what you said". We can all do a better job of listening and hearing, that's for sure, and finding ways to tell each other we disagree that aren't inflammatory and profoundly hurtful. I read it, labyrus, and it does make me sad. I did feel that Amazon’s criticisms were unwarranted. I am sorry that she has been attacked and maligned, however; it’s one thing to say “I disagree with your conclusion” and another to say “You have no right to say what you said”. We can all do a better job of listening and hearing, that’s for sure, and finding ways to tell each other we disagree that aren’t inflammatory and profoundly hurtful.

]]> By: labyrus http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23096 labyrus Wed, 23 May 2007 20:08:15 +0000 http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/05/21/why-im-assigning-full-frontal-feminism-a-follow-up/#comment-23096 I'd like to suggest people read <a href="http://brownfemipower.com/?p=1432" rel="nofollow">BFP's post</a>. I’d like to suggest people read BFP’s post.

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