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	<title>Comments on: Full Frontal Feminism: my students respond</title>
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		<title>By: My Precious Girl, Not My Frail One: On Daughters and Hook-Up Culture &#124; Hugo Schwyzer</title>
		<link>http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/11/07/full-frontal-feminism-my-students-respond/#comment-57893</link>
		<dc:creator>My Precious Girl, Not My Frail One: On Daughters and Hook-Up Culture &#124; Hugo Schwyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a post about how my students responded to Jessica Valenti&#8217;s Full Frontal Feminism (a piece that played a small part in one of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/11/07/full-frontal-feminism-my-students-respond/#comment-20119</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach a facilitator session as part of a main session WS class, I assigned FFF to my students as well and really appreciate you posting your students responses, I looooooooved the book and now Im confident my student will as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach a facilitator session as part of a main session WS class, I assigned FFF to my students as well and really appreciate you posting your students responses, I looooooooved the book and now Im confident my student will as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ladybird</title>
		<link>http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/11/07/full-frontal-feminism-my-students-respond/#comment-20118</link>
		<dc:creator>Ladybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there&#039;s nothing that Hugo could say or do that would make you not continue to dog him.  From what I gather from your posts, there is nothing he actually. can do, you know, bein white and all.

I&#039;m sure that it makes you quite angry that not everything is this big old world revolves around racism.  But it doesn&#039;t.  Feminism doesn&#039;t. Jessica&#039;s book didn&#039;t.  And nothing Jessica can say or do will make any difference to people like you. Not because she can&#039;t or won&#039;t try, not because her heart isn&#039;t in the right place,  but like Hugo,  simply because she&#039;s white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there&#8217;s nothing that Hugo could say or do that would make you not continue to dog him.  From what I gather from your posts, there is nothing he actually. can do, you know, bein white and all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that it makes you quite angry that not everything is this big old world revolves around racism.  But it doesn&#8217;t.  Feminism doesn&#8217;t. Jessica&#8217;s book didn&#8217;t.  And nothing Jessica can say or do will make any difference to people like you. Not because she can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t try, not because her heart isn&#8217;t in the right place,  but like Hugo,  simply because she&#8217;s white.</p>
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		<title>By: La Chola &#187; Blog Archive &#187; teaching full frontal feminism</title>
		<link>http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2007/11/07/full-frontal-feminism-my-students-respond/#comment-20117</link>
		<dc:creator>La Chola &#187; Blog Archive &#187; teaching full frontal feminism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hugo Schwyzer has a glowing post up of how teaching Full Frontal Feminism in his womens studies class went. In short: Amazing. The women in the class loved it, and guess what? There was even women of color in class!! And they loved it! And that has laid to rest any lingering doubts he had about the book. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hugo Schwyzer has a glowing post up of how teaching Full Frontal Feminism in his womens studies class went. In short: Amazing. The women in the class loved it, and guess what? There was even women of color in class!! And they loved it! And that has laid to rest any lingering doubts he had about the book. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Redstar Perspective &#187; Hey, watch my hat sail into the ring&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Redstar Perspective &#187; Hey, watch my hat sail into the ring&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here are the most recent posts about this that are in my Google reader, beginning with the professor&#8217;s that stimulated the criticism.Â Â Â I ended up reading through them for hours, and eventually posted a comment at Brownfemipower&#8217;s post about the silo-ing and/or silencing of perspectives and activism of women of color in women&#8217;s studies curricula.Â  I wish, a day later, that I could remember in which post the author asked where were the white women criticizing FFF.Â  It wasÂ made as a critique, if I remember correctly (feel like I&#8217;m playing catch up&#8230;this is why IÂ am oftenÂ so often just a lurker!), of howÂ the professor&#8217;sÂ postÂ indicated that a few of his women ofÂ color studentsÂ liking the book therefore meant it was actually not offensive to WOC, as ifÂ women who fit this description (according to whom, RP readers ask) are a homogeneous and tightly bounded groupÂ such that the opinions of a few individuals can stand for everyone, versus the basically infinite opinions possible re: this book among all women who read it.*Â Â  Well, here&#8217;s one white woman, at least. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here are the most recent posts about this that are in my Google reader, beginning with the professor&#8217;s that stimulated the criticism.Â Â Â I ended up reading through them for hours, and eventually posted a comment at Brownfemipower&#8217;s post about the silo-ing and/or silencing of perspectives and activism of women of color in women&#8217;s studies curricula.Â  I wish, a day later, that I could remember in which post the author asked where were the white women criticizing FFF.Â  It wasÂ made as a critique, if I remember correctly (feel like I&#8217;m playing catch up&#8230;this is why IÂ am oftenÂ so often just a lurker!), of howÂ the professor&#8217;sÂ postÂ indicated that a few of his women ofÂ color studentsÂ liking the book therefore meant it was actually not offensive to WOC, as ifÂ women who fit this description (according to whom, RP readers ask) are a homogeneous and tightly bounded groupÂ such that the opinions of a few individuals can stand for everyone, versus the basically infinite opinions possible re: this book among all women who read it.*Â Â  Well, here&#8217;s one white woman, at least. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Michelle brings up great points.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, there&#039;s apparently no point that I could bring up that Hugo can&#039;t twist and distort and use for his purposes:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/11/26/the-full-frontal-feminism-controversy-again-and-a-call-for-suggestions/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The â€œFull Frontal Feminismâ€ controversy again, and a call for suggestions&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Michelle brings up great points.</i></p>
<p>Well, there&#8217;s apparently no point that I could bring up that Hugo can&#8217;t twist and distort and use for his purposes:</p>
<p><a href="http://hugoschwyzer.net/2007/11/26/the-full-frontal-feminism-controversy-again-and-a-call-for-suggestions/" rel="nofollow">The â€œFull Frontal Feminismâ€ controversy again, and a call for suggestions</a></p>
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		<title>By: Daomadan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daomadan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œI think thereâ€™s plenty of time, Jeff, for us to bring up the past shortcomings of white feminists in reaching out to young women of color.&quot;

Always plenty of time until we all realize we haven&#039;t done a damn thing about how white feminists continue to short change women of color. Michelle brings up great points.  

&quot;One young woman, a very articulate and thoughtful conservative...&quot;

This sounds like all those white people who are so impressed Obama is an articulate speaker.  An articulate young woman (and a conservative to boot)? No! /sarcasm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œI think thereâ€™s plenty of time, Jeff, for us to bring up the past shortcomings of white feminists in reaching out to young women of color.&#8221;</p>
<p>Always plenty of time until we all realize we haven&#8217;t done a damn thing about how white feminists continue to short change women of color. Michelle brings up great points.  </p>
<p>&#8220;One young woman, a very articulate and thoughtful conservative&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This sounds like all those white people who are so impressed Obama is an articulate speaker.  An articulate young woman (and a conservative to boot)? No! /sarcasm</p>
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		<title>By: theCougar</title>
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		<dc:creator>theCougar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugo-

Great job assigning this book...Iâ€™m also happy to hear that there was such a positive response from your students. Being a young feminist blogger, and activist for women&#039;s rights it feels good to see that people took so well to Jessicaâ€™s book. She inspirers me and Iâ€™m glad she could do the same for others, especially young women (because I think a lot of us need it!)

As for the criticism on FFF being too â€œwhiteâ€â€¦well duhh! Jessica is a white middle class woman, thatâ€™s the perspective she has. Sheâ€™s not trying to take on a role that she doesnâ€™t know. As a man doesnâ€™t know what it is like to have a vagina in our patriarchal society, the same goes for Jessicaâ€”she doesnâ€™t know what it feels like to have black skin or be Latino etc, in a dominate white society. However, she is aware of this and doesnâ€™t try to be what she is not. Being aware is having the knowledge to act responsibly. I believe Jessica acted intelligently, and responsible in her choices. She acknowledges the differences in different ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds; however she didnâ€™t voice specific insight into those matters, because she doesnâ€™t have the knowledge to do so. 
Anywayâ€”cheers and continue enlightening todayâ€™s youthâ€”itâ€™s a difficult job but it seems as though youâ€™re doing quite a good job at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugo-</p>
<p>Great job assigning this book&#8230;Iâ€™m also happy to hear that there was such a positive response from your students. Being a young feminist blogger, and activist for women&#8217;s rights it feels good to see that people took so well to Jessicaâ€™s book. She inspirers me and Iâ€™m glad she could do the same for others, especially young women (because I think a lot of us need it!)</p>
<p>As for the criticism on FFF being too â€œwhiteâ€â€¦well duhh! Jessica is a white middle class woman, thatâ€™s the perspective she has. Sheâ€™s not trying to take on a role that she doesnâ€™t know. As a man doesnâ€™t know what it is like to have a vagina in our patriarchal society, the same goes for Jessicaâ€”she doesnâ€™t know what it feels like to have black skin or be Latino etc, in a dominate white society. However, she is aware of this and doesnâ€™t try to be what she is not. Being aware is having the knowledge to act responsibly. I believe Jessica acted intelligently, and responsible in her choices. She acknowledges the differences in different ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds; however she didnâ€™t voice specific insight into those matters, because she doesnâ€™t have the knowledge to do so.<br />
Anywayâ€”cheers and continue enlightening todayâ€™s youthâ€”itâ€™s a difficult job but it seems as though youâ€™re doing quite a good job at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bianca Reagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca Reagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what Jeff said, except I&#039;m not remotely apologetic about it. Ignoring the discriminatory history of feminism and not including more material about women of color is wrong, especially in a book call &quot;Full Frontal Feminism.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I think thereâ€™s plenty of time, Jeff, for us to bring up the past shortcomings of white feminists in reaching out to young women of color. But Valentiâ€™s book is radically relevant to their lives right now, irrespective of class and ethnicity. Read in a vacuum, it would be problematic in a womenâ€™s studies course â€” read in conjunction with a variety of other texts, itâ€™s superb.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Hugo, there always seems to be &quot;plenty of time&quot; to talk about the colored folks. But it never seems like the time is &quot;now.&quot; This is exactly the kind of attitude that annoyed the original critics of Jessica&#039;s book. It&#039;s not that we don&#039;t appreciate her desire to introduce feminism to a new audience. We don&#039;t appreciate her whitewashing an entire movement by omitting the unique struggles of nonwhite women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what Jeff said, except I&#8217;m not remotely apologetic about it. Ignoring the discriminatory history of feminism and not including more material about women of color is wrong, especially in a book call &#8220;Full Frontal Feminism.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I think thereâ€™s plenty of time, Jeff, for us to bring up the past shortcomings of white feminists in reaching out to young women of color. But Valentiâ€™s book is radically relevant to their lives right now, irrespective of class and ethnicity. Read in a vacuum, it would be problematic in a womenâ€™s studies course â€” read in conjunction with a variety of other texts, itâ€™s superb.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Hugo, there always seems to be &#8220;plenty of time&#8221; to talk about the colored folks. But it never seems like the time is &#8220;now.&#8221; This is exactly the kind of attitude that annoyed the original critics of Jessica&#8217;s book. It&#8217;s not that we don&#8217;t appreciate her desire to introduce feminism to a new audience. We don&#8217;t appreciate her whitewashing an entire movement by omitting the unique struggles of nonwhite women.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Links &#171; Questioning Transphobia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Links &#171; Questioning Transphobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brownfemipower and BlackAmazon respond to Hugo Schwyzer resurrecting the &lt;b&gt;Full Frontal Feminism&lt;/b&gt; controversy. The discussion about how women of color are marginalized in college feminism courses is very to the point. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brownfemipower and BlackAmazon respond to Hugo Schwyzer resurrecting the &lt;b&gt;Full Frontal Feminism&lt;/b&gt; controversy. The discussion about how women of color are marginalized in college feminism courses is very to the point. [...]</p>
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