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	<title>Comments on: On Lorna the Jungle Girl and the dark-skinned natives: a reluctant challenge to Amanda Marcotte: UPDATED</title>
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		<title>By: Download Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Download Jill</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schwyzer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Schwyzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, we&#039;ve wandered way off topic. Comments are now closed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, we&#8217;ve wandered way off topic. Comments are now closed</p>
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		<title>By: Manju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I spent a large part of my life in Britain where Indians are included in the category of â€˜Blacksâ€™ and treated no differently.&quot;

Yeah, I was in England till age 5. i recall being called &quot;blacky&quot; and my dad left for America in part b/c he knew he couldn&#039;t get a fair shake there. but America is different and simply does not have the same colonial relationship with India. the india-uk relationship is a complex paradigm within itself, but yes, it does more closely parallel white-black relations in the US.

but the bullying your kids experience does in fact ring true, though I&#039;m certain they&#039;d experience the same thing in a Black or Hispanic school, maybe even worse. Asians are on the low end of the totem pole when it comes to masculinity, whereas blacks are stereotyped as sexual predators...and that&#039;s an example of my greater point. since i have some experience here, my advise to your kids is to play sports and lift some weights. that goes a long way.

or they can take the time-honored jewish tradition of studying harder than anyone else, make a fortune on wall street or silicon valley, and get your revenge then. Malcolm x is right, don&#039;t beg the white man for acceptance, don&#039;t even ask them to look at their white privilege. remember, goldman Sachs was created b/c Jews couldn&#039;t make partner at the House of Morgan. Now look at them. the free markets are your friend.

just my privildged 2-cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I spent a large part of my life in Britain where Indians are included in the category of â€˜Blacksâ€™ and treated no differently.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I was in England till age 5. i recall being called &#8220;blacky&#8221; and my dad left for America in part b/c he knew he couldn&#8217;t get a fair shake there. but America is different and simply does not have the same colonial relationship with India. the india-uk relationship is a complex paradigm within itself, but yes, it does more closely parallel white-black relations in the US.</p>
<p>but the bullying your kids experience does in fact ring true, though I&#8217;m certain they&#8217;d experience the same thing in a Black or Hispanic school, maybe even worse. Asians are on the low end of the totem pole when it comes to masculinity, whereas blacks are stereotyped as sexual predators&#8230;and that&#8217;s an example of my greater point. since i have some experience here, my advise to your kids is to play sports and lift some weights. that goes a long way.</p>
<p>or they can take the time-honored jewish tradition of studying harder than anyone else, make a fortune on wall street or silicon valley, and get your revenge then. Malcolm x is right, don&#8217;t beg the white man for acceptance, don&#8217;t even ask them to look at their white privilege. remember, goldman Sachs was created b/c Jews couldn&#8217;t make partner at the House of Morgan. Now look at them. the free markets are your friend.</p>
<p>just my privildged 2-cents.</p>
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		<title>By: stoneself</title>
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		<dc:creator>stoneself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;well, look how much power the so called rwoc weild over the progressive blogosphere, including hugo.&lt;/blockquote&gt;so basically you&#039;re equating being in the right about the invisibility of white privilege with browbeating/coercion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>well, look how much power the so called rwoc weild over the progressive blogosphere, including hugo.</p></blockquote>
<p>so basically you&#8217;re equating being in the right about the invisibility of white privilege with browbeating/coercion.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manju
BTW I have read that SF article. The people who wrote it also have an agenda - and trust me its not proAsian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju<br />
BTW I have read that SF article. The people who wrote it also have an agenda &#8211; and trust me its not proAsian.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sent that last one off too soon....

South Asians at MIT etc did nothing to  diminish my son&#039;s pain.

The race theorists would shoot me down but I do know that there is only one human race and I try not to parse or generalize the differences between the &#039;oppressed&#039; too much and   do what I can to speak out against injustice when I see it and to help those that I can in a more concrete way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sent that last one off too soon&#8230;.</p>
<p>South Asians at MIT etc did nothing to  diminish my son&#8217;s pain.</p>
<p>The race theorists would shoot me down but I do know that there is only one human race and I try not to parse or generalize the differences between the &#8216;oppressed&#8217; too much and   do what I can to speak out against injustice when I see it and to help those that I can in a more concrete way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manju
I spent a large part of my life in Britain where Indians are included in the category of &#039;Blacks&#039; and treated no differently.

It is only in this country that Blacks or African Americans are treated much worse than other minorities (because of slavery )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju<br />
I spent a large part of my life in Britain where Indians are included in the category of &#8216;Blacks&#8217; and treated no differently.</p>
<p>It is only in this country that Blacks or African Americans are treated much worse than other minorities (because of slavery )</p>
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		<title>By: Manju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kali:

I know what its like to grow up as an Indian kid in an all-white neighborhood. And while your kids will face a lot of racism, with Indians overrepresented at stanford, mit, and venture capital firms in silicon valley, not to mention secretive quant hedge funds, i doubt the racism they experience will be the same as blacks. 

so no, i don&#039;t think white males like hugo are socially conditioned to ignore south asians intellectually. in fact, just the opposite. i remember one professor of mine ( a brilliant, black african marxist) scold me when i was slacking off by saying &quot;but every indian i meet studies hard. what&#039;s wrong with you?&quot; Heh. this was back in the 80&#039;s, so i&#039;d ct him some slack. 

don&#039;t believe me? read this piece of &quot;journalism&quot; from the san francisco chronicle, bemoaning the lack of POC in the medical profession. Observe where asians fit in, and tell me if you can spot the progressive racism:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/02/BAJVVUN1G.DTL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kali:</p>
<p>I know what its like to grow up as an Indian kid in an all-white neighborhood. And while your kids will face a lot of racism, with Indians overrepresented at stanford, mit, and venture capital firms in silicon valley, not to mention secretive quant hedge funds, i doubt the racism they experience will be the same as blacks. </p>
<p>so no, i don&#8217;t think white males like hugo are socially conditioned to ignore south asians intellectually. in fact, just the opposite. i remember one professor of mine ( a brilliant, black african marxist) scold me when i was slacking off by saying &#8220;but every indian i meet studies hard. what&#8217;s wrong with you?&#8221; Heh. this was back in the 80&#8242;s, so i&#8217;d ct him some slack. </p>
<p>don&#8217;t believe me? read this piece of &#8220;journalism&#8221; from the san francisco chronicle, bemoaning the lack of POC in the medical profession. Observe where asians fit in, and tell me if you can spot the progressive racism:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/02/BAJVVUN1G.DTL" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/02/BAJVVUN1G.DTL</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kali</title>
		<link>http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/2008/04/24/on-lorna-the-jungle-girl-and-the-dark-skinned-natives-a-reluctant-challenge-to-amanda-marcotte/#comment-53769</link>
		<dc:creator>Kali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the &#039;privilege&#039; of scraping and cleaning dried &#039;spit-balls&#039; from the hair and from all over the brand-new (birthday present) jacket of my 14 year old son on his birthday AFTER I had complained to the Principal about the racist taunts, abuse (including being pushed into lockers and beaten) attending predominantly white high school. My son felt I had betrayed his trust and NEVER again told me about what was going on at school, until very recently - he is now in his early 20s. 

Manju, I could tell you many more stories about myself and my other child (my husband is white) but it would be too painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the &#8216;privilege&#8217; of scraping and cleaning dried &#8216;spit-balls&#8217; from the hair and from all over the brand-new (birthday present) jacket of my 14 year old son on his birthday AFTER I had complained to the Principal about the racist taunts, abuse (including being pushed into lockers and beaten) attending predominantly white high school. My son felt I had betrayed his trust and NEVER again told me about what was going on at school, until very recently &#8211; he is now in his early 20s. </p>
<p>Manju, I could tell you many more stories about myself and my other child (my husband is white) but it would be too painful.</p>
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		<title>By: Manju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;asia and china and the pacific rim&quot;

i meant india, not asia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;asia and china and the pacific rim&#8221;</p>
<p>i meant india, not asia.</p>
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