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	<title>Comments on: Where have all my roommates gone?  Some thoughts on privilege and the post-college blues</title>
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		<title>By: chareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>chareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think so much of college is the feeling of being in the same place (developmentally), roughly speaking at the same time.  i will always treasure my college roommates and my law school roommate in a way that i probably never will anyone else, simply because we shared so many experiences in the course of discovering who we are.

i don&#039;t miss college one bit (ok, maybe the flexibility of a schedule), and i frequently feel like a lot of people romanticize college as the best time in their lives when i don&#039;t know if i&#039;d say the same for myself. college was a very transformational time for me, and it was necessary, but it was often painful and frustrating.  probably for me the best years were the last half of college through now.  

sometimes people think it&#039;s odd that i&#039;m 27 and have a roommate who is not my significant other.  maybe that&#039;s juvenile, i don&#039;t know, but it seems not so uncommon my generation, at least among single people who live in urban areas.  i know that i enjoy coming home to a friendly face, to have someone to commiserate with over corporate bs with and to kill spiders for me, but who isn&#039;t dependent on my constant attention.  probably the bottom line is that it&#039;s expensive to live alone in los angeles, and i think i prefer to have someone else around to keep me sane.  i think being an adult out of college with a real job and still living with another young professional who is neither your sweetheart nor your very BEST friend really prepares you for ultimately living with a spouse or lover. it&#039;s one skill to be able to function on your own and take care of yourself, but it&#039;s another to coexist with someone else and share common spaces and household maintenance and keep it harmonious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think so much of college is the feeling of being in the same place (developmentally), roughly speaking at the same time.  i will always treasure my college roommates and my law school roommate in a way that i probably never will anyone else, simply because we shared so many experiences in the course of discovering who we are.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t miss college one bit (ok, maybe the flexibility of a schedule), and i frequently feel like a lot of people romanticize college as the best time in their lives when i don&#8217;t know if i&#8217;d say the same for myself. college was a very transformational time for me, and it was necessary, but it was often painful and frustrating.  probably for me the best years were the last half of college through now.  </p>
<p>sometimes people think it&#8217;s odd that i&#8217;m 27 and have a roommate who is not my significant other.  maybe that&#8217;s juvenile, i don&#8217;t know, but it seems not so uncommon my generation, at least among single people who live in urban areas.  i know that i enjoy coming home to a friendly face, to have someone to commiserate with over corporate bs with and to kill spiders for me, but who isn&#8217;t dependent on my constant attention.  probably the bottom line is that it&#8217;s expensive to live alone in los angeles, and i think i prefer to have someone else around to keep me sane.  i think being an adult out of college with a real job and still living with another young professional who is neither your sweetheart nor your very BEST friend really prepares you for ultimately living with a spouse or lover. it&#8217;s one skill to be able to function on your own and take care of yourself, but it&#8217;s another to coexist with someone else and share common spaces and household maintenance and keep it harmonious.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto, ditto, ditto. 

It&#039;s been very challenging to face up to the fact that college was, in many ways, the best years of my life, and a lot of it had to do with the built in social structures. Because of my partner&#039;s job limitations (academia), living near my family or near my friends from college wasn&#039;t an option, and it was quite the wake-up call to realize that many, many social structures are built up in early adulthood and then maintained. There are obviously a lot of other options for those of us who can&#039;t partake in that setup, but there&#039;s a distinct shift in moving from the one to the other, especially for folks who have only ever known the continuity of one community. (Many of my friends whose families are all within a close geographic radius fall into this camp, though it&#039;s becoming less and less common.)

Hugo, I&#039;d be interested to hear your thoughts on the issue of folks, especially women, who follow their partners&#039; jobs to new locations. I was talking with a smart friend about this recently, and we realized that though this is still common, it&#039;s often not overtly acknowledged, as though there&#039;s something vaguely shameful about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto, ditto, ditto. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been very challenging to face up to the fact that college was, in many ways, the best years of my life, and a lot of it had to do with the built in social structures. Because of my partner&#8217;s job limitations (academia), living near my family or near my friends from college wasn&#8217;t an option, and it was quite the wake-up call to realize that many, many social structures are built up in early adulthood and then maintained. There are obviously a lot of other options for those of us who can&#8217;t partake in that setup, but there&#8217;s a distinct shift in moving from the one to the other, especially for folks who have only ever known the continuity of one community. (Many of my friends whose families are all within a close geographic radius fall into this camp, though it&#8217;s becoming less and less common.)</p>
<p>Hugo, I&#8217;d be interested to hear your thoughts on the issue of folks, especially women, who follow their partners&#8217; jobs to new locations. I was talking with a smart friend about this recently, and we realized that though this is still common, it&#8217;s often not overtly acknowledged, as though there&#8217;s something vaguely shameful about it.</p>
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		<title>By: jennyfields</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennyfields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should be finishing my honors seminar take home right now...

Reading about privilege makes me sad.  I had one semester at a private liberal arts college (before I realized I couldn&#039;t afford it) and had to leave and spend one semester at a back-in-the-boonies CC before transferring to the state university.  I&#039;m getting a good education here, but I gets to me sometimes wondering what I could have had there.  I&#039;ve had friends at private schools that talked about the &quot;intellectual cocoon&quot; you mentioned.  I think that would have been really nice.  

Maybe that&#039;s why I&#039;m taking the risk of going to grad school.  It is guaranteed to force me away from the Faulkner-esk quagmire of pain that is my extended family and it will (theoretically) be a time for developing me as a scholar and teacher.  Maybe I&#039;ll have that intellectual cocoon one day if I can get a placement in a good department.  

I&#039;m not ever leaving college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should be finishing my honors seminar take home right now&#8230;</p>
<p>Reading about privilege makes me sad.  I had one semester at a private liberal arts college (before I realized I couldn&#8217;t afford it) and had to leave and spend one semester at a back-in-the-boonies CC before transferring to the state university.  I&#8217;m getting a good education here, but I gets to me sometimes wondering what I could have had there.  I&#8217;ve had friends at private schools that talked about the &#8220;intellectual cocoon&#8221; you mentioned.  I think that would have been really nice.  </p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m taking the risk of going to grad school.  It is guaranteed to force me away from the Faulkner-esk quagmire of pain that is my extended family and it will (theoretically) be a time for developing me as a scholar and teacher.  Maybe I&#8217;ll have that intellectual cocoon one day if I can get a placement in a good department.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not ever leaving college.</p>
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		<title>By: Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Class and Oppression Olympics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Class and Oppression Olympics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] don&#8217;t matter, or to minimize their effect, is foolishness. Hugo wrote a post yesterday about college graduates who end up having an existential crisis after graduation and I just can&#8217;t get too worked up about feeling sorry for them. Yes, I know I went to [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don&#8217;t matter, or to minimize their effect, is foolishness. Hugo wrote a post yesterday about college graduates who end up having an existential crisis after graduation and I just can&#8217;t get too worked up about feeling sorry for them. Yes, I know I went to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I moved into a big communal, coop (i.e. cook meals together, etc) household after university - everyone else there was about 6 - 9 years older than me and I LOVED it!!

To be honest, I always felt abit like a fish out of water at university - I had alot of not-so-great friendships and the community felt too closed for me. 

I felt really free out there in the world - with people older than me who were doing exciting things with their lifes - and so many late night political debates about trade unionism, feminism, socialism, post-moderism (pro vs. anti) etc.

And, funnily enough, I&#039;m now 39 and in a 10 year relationship with a much older man - we have a 3 year old child and he has a 27 year old son in medical school from a previous relationship.  Maybe the fact that I&#039;ve never felt properly a part of my peer group explains it or maybe that my parents had me fairly late in their lives (in their 40&#039;s) so I relate well to people with parents who are near or in the same generation as mine - who knows??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved into a big communal, coop (i.e. cook meals together, etc) household after university &#8211; everyone else there was about 6 &#8211; 9 years older than me and I LOVED it!!</p>
<p>To be honest, I always felt abit like a fish out of water at university &#8211; I had alot of not-so-great friendships and the community felt too closed for me. </p>
<p>I felt really free out there in the world &#8211; with people older than me who were doing exciting things with their lifes &#8211; and so many late night political debates about trade unionism, feminism, socialism, post-moderism (pro vs. anti) etc.</p>
<p>And, funnily enough, I&#8217;m now 39 and in a 10 year relationship with a much older man &#8211; we have a 3 year old child and he has a 27 year old son in medical school from a previous relationship.  Maybe the fact that I&#8217;ve never felt properly a part of my peer group explains it or maybe that my parents had me fairly late in their lives (in their 40&#8242;s) so I relate well to people with parents who are near or in the same generation as mine &#8211; who knows??</p>
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		<title>By: Froth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Froth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to point out that sometimes the cocoon of university life is exactly the wrong thing for a person. Especially over here, where we only get campus accomodation in our first year and move in with people of our own choice after that.
That system leads to people like my housemate, who through a combination of looking pathetic and being emotionally manipulative has forced me to parent her for the last two years. I&#039;m not very good at parenting. 
She&#039;s failing her course. At some point she&#039;s going to reach the real world and get much better, because she&#039;ll be forced to grow up. Nobody will look after her, so she&#039;ll learn to do it herself. 
But at university, her parents pay her rent, so her loan becomes a very generous living. She has no responsibilities, no chance of losing her income, no immediate consequences for anything, and that sheltered environment is precisely what she doesn&#039;t need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to point out that sometimes the cocoon of university life is exactly the wrong thing for a person. Especially over here, where we only get campus accomodation in our first year and move in with people of our own choice after that.<br />
That system leads to people like my housemate, who through a combination of looking pathetic and being emotionally manipulative has forced me to parent her for the last two years. I&#8217;m not very good at parenting.<br />
She&#8217;s failing her course. At some point she&#8217;s going to reach the real world and get much better, because she&#8217;ll be forced to grow up. Nobody will look after her, so she&#8217;ll learn to do it herself.<br />
But at university, her parents pay her rent, so her loan becomes a very generous living. She has no responsibilities, no chance of losing her income, no immediate consequences for anything, and that sheltered environment is precisely what she doesn&#8217;t need.</p>
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		<title>By: Haley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, re-reading what I wrote - I came off very strong. The point I am trying to make is I think most young adults struggle with going into the adult world whether they enter with a BA or are forcibly thrust into it. Growing pains. Just growing pains. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, re-reading what I wrote &#8211; I came off very strong. The point I am trying to make is I think most young adults struggle with going into the adult world whether they enter with a BA or are forcibly thrust into it. Growing pains. Just growing pains. <img src='http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Haley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny that you write this, because out of all my friends...I was THE ONLY ONE not to go straight into college. Coming from a remarkably dysfunctional home life, I spent my younger years trying to just survive (i.e., being on my own from 17, working full time, being without any sort of support).  I envied my friends who were involved in college and could experience the dorm rooms and parties while I scrambled around at age 18, broke, trying to pay my rent, or figuring out whether or not I was going to pay the electric bill or eat that night. At the same time having an enormous amount of intellectual curiosity and miserable that I was not able to experience all that.

Then...my friends graduated. And they fell into a state of (excuse my saying this)... a spoiled existence.  For many of them, coming from the top of the their world to working low paying jobs or starting at the bottom was just &quot;too much&quot; for them. And, perhaps since I came from a different background...sometimes, I have to stand back and say, &quot;Seriously, STFU and grow up.&quot; Then I realized that, like you said, they never had the shock of the &quot;real world.&quot; 

But, I have to be honest...sometimes I do grow tired of hearing about these poor, post-college adolescents who are &quot;lost in the world.&quot; Because, I find it very difficult to see how they are &quot;lost&quot;. And...in my opinion, coming out of an ivory tower, many students DON&#039;T give average youth like me a chance. I cannot tell you the countless times I have had college students talk down to me because I wasn&#039;t a part of &quot;their world,&quot; i.e., &quot;What could you possibly know about post-structuralism? You dropped out of high school!&quot; I don&#039;t hear enough about people like me or people I know who never had a real chance to join the world. The kids who are sort of tossed to the side.

And, after seeing my friends fall into depression upon entering the &quot;real world&quot; it seems there should be more emphasis on balancing academia and an outside life. 

I hope this didn&#039;t come off as bitter or anything...but...I mean...I have witnessed this stuff first hand as an outsider. And, as someone who is now working full-time, attempting to study BIOLOGY, and taking care of an autistic brother, to hear a bunch of college graduates lament about the world is enough to drive me up the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny that you write this, because out of all my friends&#8230;I was THE ONLY ONE not to go straight into college. Coming from a remarkably dysfunctional home life, I spent my younger years trying to just survive (i.e., being on my own from 17, working full time, being without any sort of support).  I envied my friends who were involved in college and could experience the dorm rooms and parties while I scrambled around at age 18, broke, trying to pay my rent, or figuring out whether or not I was going to pay the electric bill or eat that night. At the same time having an enormous amount of intellectual curiosity and miserable that I was not able to experience all that.</p>
<p>Then&#8230;my friends graduated. And they fell into a state of (excuse my saying this)&#8230; a spoiled existence.  For many of them, coming from the top of the their world to working low paying jobs or starting at the bottom was just &#8220;too much&#8221; for them. And, perhaps since I came from a different background&#8230;sometimes, I have to stand back and say, &#8220;Seriously, STFU and grow up.&#8221; Then I realized that, like you said, they never had the shock of the &#8220;real world.&#8221; </p>
<p>But, I have to be honest&#8230;sometimes I do grow tired of hearing about these poor, post-college adolescents who are &#8220;lost in the world.&#8221; Because, I find it very difficult to see how they are &#8220;lost&#8221;. And&#8230;in my opinion, coming out of an ivory tower, many students DON&#8217;T give average youth like me a chance. I cannot tell you the countless times I have had college students talk down to me because I wasn&#8217;t a part of &#8220;their world,&#8221; i.e., &#8220;What could you possibly know about post-structuralism? You dropped out of high school!&#8221; I don&#8217;t hear enough about people like me or people I know who never had a real chance to join the world. The kids who are sort of tossed to the side.</p>
<p>And, after seeing my friends fall into depression upon entering the &#8220;real world&#8221; it seems there should be more emphasis on balancing academia and an outside life. </p>
<p>I hope this didn&#8217;t come off as bitter or anything&#8230;but&#8230;I mean&#8230;I have witnessed this stuff first hand as an outsider. And, as someone who is now working full-time, attempting to study BIOLOGY, and taking care of an autistic brother, to hear a bunch of college graduates lament about the world is enough to drive me up the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: Funt Of A Thousand Faces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funt Of A Thousand Faces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course it&#039;s a different kettle of fish (and you need a different metaphor you vegan you. They don&#039;t just put fish in a kettle because they like it there.) I just thought perhaps you&#039;d have something to say about it now that I mentioned it, such as how those people fared after college. But if you don&#039;t you don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course it&#8217;s a different kettle of fish (and you need a different metaphor you vegan you. They don&#8217;t just put fish in a kettle because they like it there.) I just thought perhaps you&#8217;d have something to say about it now that I mentioned it, such as how those people fared after college. But if you don&#8217;t you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daisy Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes -- you&#039;re absolutely right that many people have damaging and dysfunctional (and sometimes, of course, outright abusive) experiences in their families of origin. I apologize for failing to note that in my last comment. I completely agree that our social structures need to provide every available resource for people creating new families, including full legal recognition of those families. Many of the those I consider my community are not related to me by biology. (The last time I discussed this topic online, in a thread over at Alas, I was advocating the same position I am here &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; someone who posited the supremacy of a genetic system of kinship.) A person who was deprived of a nurturing family only has more reason to create a fuller support system as an adult. What I reject is not any individual forming any family in any way that works for her. It&#039;s the system that endorses dysfunctional family-making (by failing to support caretakers of young children, failing to support healthy relationships, failing to recognize all families, etc), that allows people to abandon their children and, much more frequently, their aging parents and other relatives. The system that tells us that, just like with consumer products, the best people are those we import from an exotic location, not those that exist locally. (This is about as healthy and sustainable on the social level as it is when we do it with food, clothing, and other items.)

Anyway, as I mentioned when I offered my personal solution to the &quot;post-college blues,&quot; I&#039;m very much in favor of people forming supportive communities with the people of their choice. It&#039;s a pity that many people haven&#039;t inherited healthy support systems, and that the culture furthers this damage by spouting the idea that young people universally detest their parents and should do everything in their power to escape them (an idea maintained by both adolescents and adults). The only way to combat this is to begin the tremendous task of creating new communities. Whether it&#039;s with your chosen family or your family by birth doesn&#039;t matter.* What matters is whether it happens at all.

* Well okay, it matters some. As my grandmother gets older and weaker I get increasingly outraged about the way the elderly are first marginalized and then neglected (often to death) in our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8212; you&#8217;re absolutely right that many people have damaging and dysfunctional (and sometimes, of course, outright abusive) experiences in their families of origin. I apologize for failing to note that in my last comment. I completely agree that our social structures need to provide every available resource for people creating new families, including full legal recognition of those families. Many of the those I consider my community are not related to me by biology. (The last time I discussed this topic online, in a thread over at Alas, I was advocating the same position I am here <i>against</i> someone who posited the supremacy of a genetic system of kinship.) A person who was deprived of a nurturing family only has more reason to create a fuller support system as an adult. What I reject is not any individual forming any family in any way that works for her. It&#8217;s the system that endorses dysfunctional family-making (by failing to support caretakers of young children, failing to support healthy relationships, failing to recognize all families, etc), that allows people to abandon their children and, much more frequently, their aging parents and other relatives. The system that tells us that, just like with consumer products, the best people are those we import from an exotic location, not those that exist locally. (This is about as healthy and sustainable on the social level as it is when we do it with food, clothing, and other items.)</p>
<p>Anyway, as I mentioned when I offered my personal solution to the &#8220;post-college blues,&#8221; I&#8217;m very much in favor of people forming supportive communities with the people of their choice. It&#8217;s a pity that many people haven&#8217;t inherited healthy support systems, and that the culture furthers this damage by spouting the idea that young people universally detest their parents and should do everything in their power to escape them (an idea maintained by both adolescents and adults). The only way to combat this is to begin the tremendous task of creating new communities. Whether it&#8217;s with your chosen family or your family by birth doesn&#8217;t matter.* What matters is whether it happens at all.</p>
<p>* Well okay, it matters some. As my grandmother gets older and weaker I get increasingly outraged about the way the elderly are first marginalized and then neglected (often to death) in our society.</p>
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