Reprint: Mutual Submission, Mutual Dreams, and what Feminist Marriage Looks Like

This post first appeared October 30, 2007.

So the discussion is spirited (if inclined to the anti-feminist ad hominem) below yesterday’s post on marriage and feminism. One anti-feminist does ask a question that deserves a better answer than I’ve given so far:

You’re in a “passionately feminist marriage”? What does that even mean?

I gave my “row boat” description yesterday, and I’ve written before about the central importance of Ephesians 5:21 and the appealing notion of “mutual submission.” I’m aware, of course, that different people have different visions of what equality looks like. Many who do like the comfort of strict gender roles insist that their marriages also reflect equality, arguing that “equality doesn’t equal sameness.” I’ve seen some of those marriages, seen how they thrive, and I don’t disagree that they can be wonderful. And as we’ve discussed recently around here, it’s possible to have healthy, loving marriages in which BDSM plays an important role. That’s not my vision of domestic bliss, but there’s certainly more than one path to marital happiness.

But what do I mean when I say my marriage is “passionately feminist”? In the eyes of the anti-feminists, that may conjure up an image of a timid and fearful Hugo, walking on eggshells around his domineering wife, asking her permission for everything. Anti-feminists tend to think that any man who embraces real egalitarianism has essentially been emasculated, and has surrendered his capacity for action to his wife. Or perhaps they imagine that we have a little dry erase board in the kitchen, on which we keep track of how much time each of us has spent on domestic duties, in order to ensure that each of us is putting in precisely the same amount of effort as the other. And God only knows what the anti-feminists imagine about our bedroom. Perhaps they imagine my wife is some sort of dominatrix, or that our sexual behavior precludes penis-in-vagina intercourse, as that would indicate our acceptance of the “hegemony of the phallus.” Jeepers, the mind boggles at the possibilities!

So if none of that silliness is true, what is explicitly feminist about this marriage? For me, feminism is both a political ideology and a guideline for private praxis. (Similarly, my Christian faith gives me a “public theology” and a private moral code.) As my beloved brother says, we’re all called to “match our language and our lives”. Fighting for justice and inclusion in the world while being a domineering jerk at home is to have missed the point entirely. Obviously, my wife and I have a private life that is not open for public inspection. But even in our most intimate moments, even in the sacred space of our bedroom, we’re called to act in a way that is congruent with our values. Continue reading

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Who are hares to condemn tortoises? Responding to the Times critique of slow marathoners

The New York Times revisited the issue of the “slow marathoner” today. Called by many the “Oprah effect” after the talk-show host walked/jogged through the Portland Marathon more than a decade ago, there’s no question that thousands of slower and less athletically able types have come to the marathoning world in recent years, often spending three times as long out on the course as the winners. Some are disgruntled by these torpid but determined newcomers, and the Times article tends to take the side of the woman quoted here:

“It’s a joke to run a marathon by walking every other mile or by finishing in six, seven, eight hours,” said Adrienne Wald, 54, the women’s cross-country coach at the College of New Rochelle, who ran her first marathon in 1984. “It used to be that running a marathon was worth something — there used to be a pride saying that you ran a marathon, but not anymore. Now it’s, ‘How low is the bar?’ ”

In September 2006, I posted my defense of slower runners. I’ve run a dozen marathons — and several longer ultra races — and have a lifetime marathon PR of a 3:13 (a 7:24 pace), but not even a frisson of contempt for those who need twice that time to finish. From my 2006 piece:

I’ve spent years and years around very competitive and talented athletes. I’ve worked with cross-country coaches and ultra-marathoners; I have friends who have qualified for the Olympic trials in distance events. To a man and to a woman, I’ve never heard them sneer at the slower recreational athletes who only long to finish. Real runners don’t judge and condemn others. Our reasons for running are myriad, and running to set a personal best time is never the only, or even the best, reason to run. If some folks want to trot and sweat for six hours so that they can say “I ran a marathon because I’ve always wanted to”, how does it diminish my accomplishment in running the same race significantly faster?

Running has brought me tremendous joy and fulfillment. It is a source of incredible pleasure in my life. I judge myself not by my weight, or whether my six-pack is defined, or by my latest time, but by the amount of delight I take in my workouts. I try and bring that peace and happiness home from the roads and the trails, and I try to make it manifest in my relationships with others. Running is like that for many people, whether or not they ever run a marathon, or whether or not they ever break four, five, or even seven hours.

Adrienne Wald, who takes more than four hours herself, ought to know that.

Princesses, princes, daughters and dads: against emotional incest

Our daughter Heloise Cerys Raquel (often abbreviated as HCRS) is almost nine months old, and continues to amaze and delight her parents. She’s standing and crawling now, and making ever more comprehensible noises. She’s a happy baby, prone to shrieks of delight and an enthusiastic wind-milling of arms when she sees a returning parent or other beloved care-giver. We have a nanny to help out some of the time, but most of the care is done in carefully orchestrated shifts shared among my wife, her mother, and me. (My mother-in-law moved in with us after we moved from Pasadena to West Los Angeles at the beginning of summer, and that has been a special blessing for all.)

In August, I posted “She’s got you wrapped around her finger”: fathers, daughters, and a variation on the myth of male weakness in which I noted the extraordinary number of folks who expressed to me their certainty that I would treat Heloise as a princess whose whims I could not help but indulge. I’d like to touch on another aspect of the father-daughter relationship I’ve noted.

Becoming a parent for the first time in one’s forties has myriad advantages, not least that one has had the opportunity to watch a great many of one’s peers “do it all first.” (I have two high school friends of mine who are already grandparents, mirabile dictu.) And I’ve seen, a time or nine, an unhealthy triangulation occur with dads, moms, and their daughters. While the dangers of physical incest and abuse are real, there’s a kind of emotionally incestuous dynamic I’ve witnessed between fathers and daughters, one in which dads seek from their daughters the validation and affirmation that they feel they are entitled to, but are not receiving from their wives.

Little children adore their parents. Really, it’s a lovely thing to come home each day and be welcomed, as I invariably am, with gales of excited laughter and delight. (I’m the primary care giver for much of the weekend and most late afternoons and evenings; my wife handles the mornings, my mother-in-law and the nanny work splendidly in the gaps.) My daughter’s love is an impressive thing to feel, especially as she’s gotten better recently at wrapping herself around my neck and squeezing me tight. No matter what has transpired during the day, no matter what I’ve said or done (or failed to say or do), Heloise seems to adore me. It’s a wonderful thing, and I eat it up with wonder and gratitude and delight. I’m told that her devotion will only grow more intense; many little girls begin to bond more intensely with their fathers in their second and third years of life, presuming that a dad is around. One looks forward to this.

Of course, spouses aren’t the same as children. My wife loves me, a fact of which I blessedly have no doubt. But she most certainly doesn’t have me a on pedestal, doesn’t think I’m flawless, and doesn’t greet me with shrieks of joy everytime I walk into the house. Eira engages with me as a partner, and she challenges me and pushes me and asks me for things; I do the same for her. In a good marriage, iron sharpens iron, and the more friction in the sharpening process, the greater and more enduring the heat. Anyone who’s met my wife knows that she’s a tall, strong force of nature. (This is a woman who can dress down Israeli soldiers on patrol and make them blush apologetically. If you know the men and women of the IDF, you’ll know how astounding that is.) She loves me and she encourages me as I do her, but she doesn’t conceal her displeasure when she’s unhappy, and she doesn’t come rushing to me like something out of a Marabel Morgan book when I enter the house. Continue reading

Thursday Short Poem: Raab’s “According to Freud”

Lawrence Raab has been a prolific poet for nearly four decades; his latest collction, The History of Forgetting, is particularly good. This is one of my favorites from within it. Bleak, but gently so; as someone who worked with a Freudian analyst for a couple of years (blowing through a substantial portion of an inheritance to pay for it), I know the wonder and importance of endlessly uncovering and discovering — but I know the limits to the usefulness of that “endless looking back, back, back” too

According to Freud


there are no accidents,
though it could take years
of talk to figure out why. Meanwhile,
your wife has left you. She didn’t need
to be sure. According to her,

there are only accidents—
the allure of secrets, then nothing
but the shabby appearances of order.
So today you believe in fate,
tomorrow in freedom. The curse is Greek

and absolute. Follow that road far enough
and you have to tear your eyes out because
you can’t bear to see the day
you’ve spent your life trying to avoid
and crawling towards. It’s enough

to drive you crazy, and you feel like
tearing your eyes out all over again.
According to Freud, that story
conceals another, the one in which
every son needs to take his father’s place.

Nor is the father innocent.
Nor the wife who doesn’t want
to think about it. Nor the world
in which a man can make these things up,
as if behind the accidents of life

were the quarrels of gods. And this,
according to Freud, reminds us
of something else, once familiar,
but now so far away
we have to die to get there.

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Feminists getting married

Check out Amanda Marcotte’s marvelous summary/analysis of the fascinating coverage of Jessica Valenti’s recent wedding.

Yes, feminists get married. Once we have marriage equality, even more feminists will.

Best Amanda line: Because a happy, smiling feminist in a wedding dress drives sexists absolutely fucking nuts, because it deprives them of their favorite delusion, which is that feminism is the last resort for bitter, lonely women.

Bingo.

How does a feminist ally fight fair? A follow-up on men and women’s anger

We’ve had more than 90 comments below this post examining the degree to which women’s wariness of men is justified. It’s a fairly good discussion, for which I am grateful.

I wrote a few years ago a post called Words are not fists: some thoughts on how men work to defuse feminist anger. An excerpt:

Part of being a pro-feminist man, I’ve come to realize in recent years, is being willing to face the real anger of real women. Far too many men spend a great deal of time trying to talk women out of their anger, or by creating social pressures that remind women of the consequences of expressing that anger. Many men, frankly, are profoundly frightened by women who will directly challenge them. In a classroom, they don’t really fear being struck or hit. But by comparing a verbal attack on their own sexist attitudes towards physical violence, they hope to defuse the verbal expression of very real female pain and frustration. I know that it’s hard to be a young man in a feminist setting for the first time, and I know, (oh, how I know) how difficult it is to sit and listen to someone challenge you on your most basic beliefs about your identity, your sexuality, your behavior, and your beliefs about gender. It’s difficult to take the risk to speak up and push back a bit, and it’s scary to realize just how infuriating your views really are to other people, especially women.

The first task of the pro-feminist male in this situation is to accept the reality and the legitimacy of the frustration and disappointment and anger that so many women have with men, and to accept it without making light of it or trying to defuse it or trying to soothe it. Pro-feminist men must work to confront their own fears about being the target of those feelings.

I’d like to say a bit more about how men can do this last bit, as it’s not something I addressed in the original piece. I don’t want to imply that I think that a feminist man simply “stands there and takes it”. One of the ideals of traditional American masculinity is of the man as “sturdy oak”, able to withstand any tempest, even that of a woman’s righteous anger. That comes dangerously close to reinforcing the notion that women are “naturally” more volatile (at least emotionally), perhaps even hysterical (a dangerous word, given its origins) — and that is a “real man’s” job to hold his ground, silently, in the face of what will be a formidable, but (it is to be hoped) brief feminine storm. Though I’d like to believe my readers of the original post didn’t infer that I was reifying this myth, it’s important to clarify how I think we ought to help men respond to women’s anger. Continue reading

Reprint: Revisiting the question of “the number”

This post originally appeared in February 2007.

Jill and Jessica posted a little card with a graph (click on their names to see what I mean) that nicely illustrates the ancient double-standard about “studs”, “sluts” and the number of sexual partners it takes each sex to earn those very different labels.

In various ways, I’ve written about how we think about our sexual pasts. See here, for example, or here, or here. (Read them all, you might see a chronological evolution in my thinking.)

I’ve mentioned this before, but I have dear friends of both sexes whose sexual experience is enormously varied. I have two male buddies, both dear to me, who have each had but one partner: the woman to whom they are now married. I have two other buddies, also dear to me, whose “numbers” are reliably well into the triple digits. (One, who has finally settled down into happy monogamy, knows his exact number, and shares it so often I am tempted to greet him with “What’s up, Mr. 119?” The other friend has at least three times that many, and has long since lost count. He, unlike most of the rest of us who are committed these days, is still out there working his shtick. His number climbs inexorably higher.)

I have no intention of disclosing my number here. It’s obviously more than 1, and it’s less than my buddy’s 119, and I’m not going to so much as hint at where it stands. (I am happy to say it hasn’t moved in many years, and Lord willing, it never will.) I will say that I see no evidence that my straight, heterosexual friends who have an exhaustive catalogue of experience with different women have learned much about relationships or love as a result; I can say that my friends who have had rich and varied experiences with the same woman have taught me far more about how to be a loving husband. That doesn’t mean that an abundance of experience is automatically an impediment to intimacy, mind you! It just means that an abundance of experience doesn’t automatically lead to wisdom or sensitivity, either.

I only post today because I have a few folks in my life — of both sexes — who have told me recently that they wish that their number was higher. They daydream, from time to time, about what it would have been like to take more risks and more chances when they were younger and single. And I have other friends, again of both sexes, who still struggle with some shame around their number (dear Mr. 119 is not among them), wishing that it were lower, wishing that they could have some “do-overs” that would reduce the overall sum. I am happy to say that I am in neither camp.

Two categories of folks earn my rebuke. First those, like one of my friends above, who view their ever-growing number with pride. I don’t need my strong Christian faith to tell me that using other human beings to boost one’s ego is adolescent at best, pathetically narcissistic at worst.

Second, I have little patience with those who cling to the nasty, archaic slut/stud dichotomy, and use a woman’s “number” to try to shame her. One clear sign that a boy has failed to develop into a man: an obsessive focus on his girlfriend’s past lovers. Probing questions, pleas for reassurance, passive-aggressive displays of judgment and anxiety — these are indefensible. To quote myself:

A true lover can say, “Before there was an ‘us’, there was a ‘you’ and a ‘me’, and I will never use what you did in the past against you. I honor your right to have lived the life you chose to live before we were together, and I ask that you honor my right to my past as well.” True love focuses on the joy of the present and a shared commitment to the future; it seldom dwells on the past.

…from a spiritual standpoint, there’s a huge difference between holding oneself to a high standard and expecting that same standard from everyone else. A good Christian might well desire to be a virgin on his or her wedding night; it doesn’t follow that a good Christian has a right to demand that his or her spouse have an equally low level of sexual experience.

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Needing a moderator

On November 13, I’ll be one of three panelists speaking on Men in Anti-Sexist Activism: Problems and Potential at the National Women’s Studies Association conference in Atlanta. Two fine young scholars, Brian Jara of Penn State and Tal Peretz of USC will be joining me, and we had had — until very recently — a wonderful moderator for our panel booked as well. Alas, our moderator has had an unavoidable schedule conflict come up, and will not be able to participate in the conference. So Brian, Tal, and I need a new moderator. I realize not many of my readers are NWSA members, but perhaps some are; in any case, we’d love to have a new moderator! Email me at hbschwyzer@gmail.com if you’re interested or know someone who might be, and I hope to see some readers in Georgia!

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Look at me and tell me what you see: a note on youth, Robert Burns, and the longing to be mirrored

I was emailing back and forth with a mentee of mine recently. “Lucy”, at twenty, sees herself as bright and talented, but also as insecure and filled with self-doubt. She doesn’t think of herself as particularly attractive or popular; she remembers her adolescent awkwardness vividly. On the other hand, she wrote, her friends of both sexes see her as aloof and mysterious. Her peers (of both sexes) have what she sees as an exasperating tendency to get crushes on her, either coming on to her and forcing her to reject them — or pulling away from her for the sake of self-protection. Lucy frequently feels isolated, and she longs to have more more friends. Her frustration with her inability to form and sustain good relationships with her peers have led her to grow closer to people much older than herself, and she’s struggled with the feeling, not uncommon in women in her situation, to see substantially older men and women as more suitable romantic partners. “Older people aren’t as scared of me”, Lucy says; “they don’t misread me as often.”

I’m not going to revisit the older man/younger woman in this post. Rather, I’m interested in looking at the disconnect so many of us have between the way we are perceived by others and the way we perceive ourselves. This is a problem hardly unique to women, or college students; it’s a nigh-on universal problem for human beings. Recall the famous Robert Burns line: Oh wad some power the giftie gie us, to see oursel’s as others see us! For the great Scottish poet, and for a great many others, the ability to see in ourselves what others see is a gift, perhaps divinely given, and certainly not given to most. Many of us spend a great deal of time developing strategies and techniques for getting others to mirror us, showing us ourselves as we truly are. We want, of course, our friends and family to be both honest and filled with praise, even though we suspect that if we get too much (or perhaps even just a little) of the latter, then the former has probably gone missing. Continue reading

“One Man, Both Ways”: a short New York Magazine interview on circumcision

The new issue of New York Magazine has a major story on circumcision: the pros, the cons, the details, and and the ongoing controversy. Because I’d blogged about the subject before, and shared my own personal experience of getting circumcised in my thirties, the reporter who wrote the piece, Molly Bennet, interviewed me a few weeks ago. The article is out now, and here’s a link to the main index of articles on the topic — and here’s the link to the piece featuring my story. Walks right up to the edge of TMI, but stops short, thank goodness.

Your thoughts are welcome. But no links to websites, please; this isn’t a soapbox. And anyone who suggests even the remotest degree of equivalence between the( generally) minor and harmless procedure of male circumcision and the various forms of female genital mutilation will have their comment removed.