From April 2008.
A reader named Gwynn writes:
I’ve been thinking about you recently as my boyfriend and I have been talking about feminism.
He’s 25, I’m 34, but this is not about our age difference per se. A bit before we started dating, I told him I was a feminist, and he took the kind of not-uncommon position something like “well as long as you’re not mad at me personally…” But when we spoke further, I found him very receptive to feminist ideas. He was simply clueless, which isn’t uncommon in either sex, I suppose.
I gave him a bunch of links to read (from this blog and elsewhere).
So everything was great and I’ve been calling him a feminist. But lately he’s admitted he’s not comfortable calling himself a feminist because of his lack of actual education about it, and because he’s afraid someone like his sister or mom will argue with him if he uses that title. And also, feminist stuff is starting to seriously stress him out and sometimes when it comes up, it makes him really miserable, partly from a generic perspective (“the world is really fucked up!”) and partly selfishly.
The way I can approach sympathy for his position is as a white person. Racism is an issue where I’m in the oppressive majority, so I can understand the discomfort that comes with that position. Otherwise I’d probably get truly irritated when he says things like “I just don’t like having so much anger directed at me that I don’t deserve,” etc. I talk him through this stuff as best I’m able.
He’s also freaked out around ideas like “what can I personally do about misogyny?” and “seriously, I can never use the word ‘bitch’ again?” and “do men really have a vested interest in keeping women down?” and “but how does patriarchy benefit me personally?”
I’m not a gatekeeper of feminism. I’m a student of it, like most people. I don’t want to be his feminist authority.
I’m pretty good at answering the questions and challenging him. We had, for instance, a whole discussion in which I convinced him that the position that all heterosexual sex is rape is, while (IMO) wrong, not actually ridiculous. He’s open to everything that I say. He agrees that gender stuff is fucked up. (Of course, he’s especially receptive to arguments about how patriarchy hurts men, but I’m fine with that. I hate how patriarchy hurts men too, and as long as you’re not using that as a way of saying “so shut up, bitches, at least you don’t have to do dangerous jobs”, I’m totally cool with discussing it.)
I wish he had a male feminist mentor of some kind, but I don’t see that happening. I wish he was more well read about it, but he’s been reading “The Republic” for about the past year, which indicates how much time he spends with books and how slow he is at it.
I guess my sort of general question is, without doing all of his work for him, or letting him off the hook, how does a girlfriend help a boyfriend with feminism?
One of the problems in any age-disparate relationship — particularly when the older partner is committed to a spiritual or political ideal about which the younger knows little — is that a kind of complicated mentoring relationship can develop. The younger partner, so often infatuated with the older, can easily associate their new love’s beliefs with the new love himself or herself. In other words, the interest in feminism could (and in Gwynn’s boyfriend’s case, I don’t know for sure) become inextricably linked with Gwynn, and his receptivity to feminism thus rises and falls with the status of the relationhip. That’s always problematic.
But there are two basic issues here: how to get young men to understand — and embrace — feminism, and how can a romantic partner help in that process, if at all?
Whether we’re talking about sons, boyfriends, brothers or friends, the best way to introduce men to feminism is to give them access to some basic feminist primers. A great place to start that wasn’t mentioned in Gwynn’s letter: Finally, a Feminism 101 Blog. It’s the best “starting point” on the web; just the FAQs section alone is wonderfully educational for the newbie. It’s non-threatening, but it also doesn’t dumb down feminist thinking. If Gwynn’s boyfriend isn’t ready to call himself a feminist because he doesn’t “know enough” yet, FF101 is an excellent site for him to use to help him make that decision.
For young men who are interested in gender justice, there are many fine examples on the ‘net and elsewhere of men “doing feminism”. Some good blogs (with their own blogrolls that go many fine places) include Feminist Allies, No Cookies for Me, and Diary of a Black Male Feminist. There’s the wonderful new Shira Tarrant anthology, Men Speak Out, which I’ve reviewed here. There’s XY Online, run by the splendid Michael Flood. The links alone could keep you busy for a year.
But Gwynn is asking for more than links and references. The larger question is a tougher one: how does a woman who is a feminist inspire or guide or challenge a male partner to accept feminism?
The dynamics of sexual and romantic relationship often make this task particularly challenging. A man falling in love with a feminist woman might be initially very receptive to feminism, because he’s receptive to everything and anything about his new lover. If she likes cheese, he likes cheese; if she’s a feminist, he’s going to be open to it as well. The problem is obvious: when we’re smitten with someone and become smitten with their passions as well, our newfound ideological commitments become inextricably bound up with the relationship itself. And whenever the relationship wanes or ends, the newfound interest in cheese or comic books or feminism vanishes along with it.
The most important thing a feminist woman can say to a man she’s dating who, like Gwynn’s boyfriend, isn’t sure about this whole “feminist thing” is: “Don’t become a feminist to make me happy. Don’t just see feminism as a way of treating me as an equal. Feminism is about me, and it’s about us, but it’s also about the way you interact with every other woman and man in the world.”
I’m convinced that the best test of a man’s feminism is not how he treats the women he already respects and loves: his girlfriend or wife, his sister, his mom. It’s about how he treats the women he doesn’t know, or has been trained not to respect: Hillary Clinton, sex workers, migrant laborers. His feminism, if it’s more than skin deep, will also impact how he interacts with men. I’ve always insisted that the “acid test” for male feminists is whether they live out their feminism when they are alone with other men, with no women around.
So how do you “get” a man to go to that place? The simplest answer is also the hardest one: insist on it. That doesn’t mean insisting that he subscribe to Bitch Magazine and learn to talk knowingly about continental feminist theory. What Gwynn — and any feminist woman dating an as-of-yet-not-feminist man — can do is make clear that behavior matters more than intellectual assent. What boyfriend reads may or may not help him, but how he speaks and how he acts matters. That doesn’t mean just “treating women with respect”; after all, even conservative anti-feminists make a great deal of noise about respect. It means negotiating an egalitarian life together, and it means a willingness to, at the least, support his feminist girlfriend’s commitments without mockery or indifference.
Insecure young men in American society live in fear of being labelled as “whipped”. To be “whipped”, in the eyes of other men, is to have noticeably altered one’s behavior as a result of being in a relationship with a woman. Those men who are still stuck in a prolonged adolescence often worry a great deal about “losing their identity” in marriage and relationship; they fear a kind of psychic neutering will occur if they give too much ground and make too many compromises. Their fear, of course, is usually less about actually changing and more about the kinds of disparaging reactions they’ll get from other men. An insecure young man might worry that if he “comes out” as a feminist, especially as a result of being in a relationship with a feminist woman, he’ll be greeted with howls of derision from male buddies and eye-rolling skepticism from other women in his life.
But one of the reasons we are called to be in relationships is so that we can grow and change and leave behind “childish things.” There is nothing more childish than the anxiety that others — a brother, sister, mother or buddy — will suggest that you’ve had your “balls cut off.” Adult men, as opposed to teenage boys, need to be past that homosocial fear.
Sometimes, only those who “know” us in the biblical sense also know us well enough to help us transform and grow. This doesn’t mean it’s uniquely women’s task to change men; it means that enduring commited relationships have, as one of their primary purposes, a crucible effect. In the crucible of a lasting relationship, a lot of our old prejudices and insecurities ought to get melted away. If we aren’t being changed, if we aren’t being forced to do some painful growth as a result of being in a relationship, it’s probably time to break up and look for someone who can and will offer a more significant challenge.
So the question for Gwynn’s boyfriend is a simple one: is he ready and able to grow and change? If he says, with the typical petulance of the puerile, “I’m fine the way I am”, then it’s time for Gwynn to move along. There’s nothing “fine” about the casual bigotry and sexism that infects so much of our modern world; overcoming it is exhausting, exciting, joyous, and overwhelmingly difficult work. If being in love with Gwynn has sparked an interest in becoming a different kind of man, one more complete in his humanness, then their relationship is doing its work.
Healing the world is vital work. If we spend a sizeable amount of energy on getting a stubborn partner to share our view of the world, we waste precious resources that might better be put to use elsewhere. With that in mind, the best answer I can give to Gwynn’s question: “how does a girlfriend help a boyfriend with feminism” is a simple one. She helps by pointing him towards the right resources, and then behaving towards him as if he already has become a feminist. Assume he is one; treat him as if he already “gets it”. And when and if he lapses back into anti-feminist behavior, make it clear that part of being in a relationship with a feminist is being one too.






In a past relationship of mine, I introduced my partner to a lot of feminist concepts, which he agreed with in theory. But he thought it was hilarious to intentionally say and do misogynist things, the joke being (in his mind) that he wasn’t really misogynist. When I was unamused, he pointed out that he was a “feminist” just like me except that he had a sense of humor and I didn’t. That experience brought home to me that I don’t care so much if my partner “knows enough” about feminism or even whether he calls himself a feminist — the key is his behavior.
Kind of like Kurt’s dad on Glee. He doesn’t have a sophisticated understanding of GLBTQ issues, but he knows what fairness is, and he sticks up for his kid.
As for not doing all of his work for him and not letting him off the hook, I think I’d just turn his questions back around on him.
“What can I personally do about misogyny?”
“Great question. What CAN you personally do about misogyny?”
See where he goes with that.
I have an even more disparate age difference with my husband.
I haven’t tried to make him become a feminist, because he mostly isn’t. He says some sexist things sometimes, and I walk him through why it’s sexist. And then I move on until the next time he says something sexist. But he’s a smart guy, he remembers everything I’ve walked him through, and rarely slips up again.
It’s an ongoing process that takes time and patience and compassion.
The thing I don’t get with this relationship is the focus on feminism to such an extent that he’s acting out in the way he is. Maybe the boyfriend thinks that feminism is overshadowing other aspects of the relationship, and frustration with his uncertainty of how to say that has it leaking out in other, less productive ways.
You know, it’s okay to enjoy a baseball game together or a hike, or a day at the beach, and not have every moment be about feminism. If he’s learning from scratch, that can be overwhelming, too. Maybe a break from the ideology is needed, give him some time to think about things, sort them out.
I think she’s done all she can for the time being, and pushing the issue further would undo everything.
My husband mostly isn’t a sexist. Fingers ahead of brains…
Aquaria, I agree that endless discussions of ideology can be dull and unnecessary. But feminism isn’t just a theory — it’s a lived practice. It’s about how we do what we do as much as why we do what we do. And that kind of mindfulness is important, because undoing patriarchal programming is damned difficult without it.
I don’t think Gwynn expects her BF to be able to talk about Cixous. But to expect him to work to “walk the walk” isn’t unreasonable. And feminism is, in the end, a bit more about walking the walk than talking the talk.
I’m a little unclear if Gwynn’s boyfriend is white or not. The way she words it seems to imply that she is of the oppressive majority in terms of race, but her boyfriend isn’t… but I’m not sure.
If her boyfriend isn’t white, the dynamics can be rather different.