Lust doesn’t cancel out empathy: thoughts on an all-male sexuality workshop

This post originally appeared in September 2009

I’m heading back to New York City after a couple of days in Providence. The weather, so humid yesterday, has turned wonderfully brisk and autumnal. I think of my native state, sweltering and drought-ridden and smoke-filled, and feel — almost — guilty that I’m not there with the millions of other suffering Californians. Home on Tuesday.

Brown University’s first annual “Consent Day” was a great success, not least because of the immensely popular t-shirts (a photo here) designed by Catherine McCarthy, the student who led the organizing team for the event and who first contacted me about coming to speak. The front of the shirt is visible in the photo, the reverse includes the reminder “Consent is active, enthusiastic, and freely given.”

I gave a workshop entitled “Sex, Consent, Enthusiasm, and Stoplights: Rethinking the Language of Yes and No.” The basic thesis is familiar from this post, but I also touched on the “all men are dogs” (myth of male weakness) ethos which undergirds so much of the way we socialize modern males (and socialize women to think about them). I also brought in what my women’s studies students know as the “upside-down triangle”, which I wrote about in this post.

There was some good give and take, and some very thoughtful questions from a mixed audience of Brown students.

In the second part of the workshop, we held a male-only discussion group. It is, of course, important to do anti-rape work with both men and women. When doing survivors workshops, it’s obviously beneficial to have women-only spaces. (And yes, men can also be survivors of sexual assault, though usually at the hands of other men rather than women — which may make all-male space more problematic, but that’s another topic for ‘nother post.) But in dealing with issues around sexual consent, the topic on yesterday’s table, single-sex space can also offer an opportunity for a higher degree of safety. And I was eager to meet with at least a few of the young men who had been through the workshop to hear their thoughts and feelings.

As our hour together Thursday evening bore out, many young men (certainly all of those who, gay and straight alike, participated in our closed discussion) are frustrated by the absence of a discourse of healthy male sexuality. This was a self-selecting group; these were guys who had volunteered to participate in Consent Day activities and who identified themselves as sympathetic to feminist goals. Several were already involved in peer counseling or in campus progressive politics. They were energized and excited by the discussion about enthusiasm and consent; there were no rape apologists to be found. But the real hunger that many of them articulated very well (not surprising for Brown University students) was a hunger for some kind of validation of their sexuality as good, healthy, okay.

“I know all the things not to do”, one guy said; “I work really hard at being a good ally. But I sometimes feel that in order to be a good ally, I have to pretend that I’m asexual; my fear is that women won’t trust me as a friend if I show any sign of sexual desire.” This lad hastened to add that he wasn’t sexually interested in most of his female friends; what he’d like to be able to do is talk about his sexual feelings (as some of those friends talk with him about theirs) without losing their trust. Several of the other men in the room nodded in agreement. We talked at length about the familiar but still-powerful compartmentalization phenomenon, one in which “good guys”, those who strive to do justice with their lives and with their bodies, live a separate, secretive sexual life (usually involving pornography) that seems, at least to the guys themselves, to be something profoundly shameful.

Timothy Beneke’s Men on Rape is now out of print, but one of the many memorable lines within that invaluable text is this: “I’m not aware of any common English phrases that allow one to express sexual desire in a way that acknowledges both lust and humanity.” Beneke captured a truth about our idiom, but he also captured a truth about the way in which we see male sexuality in our culture. For a host of excellent reasons, rooted in countless painful anecdotes and our own collective witness, many of us — perhaps most of us — have a difficult time believing that heterosexual desire doesn’t invariably compromise a man’s capacity for empathy. We men can’t want sex, our culture tells us, and while still seeing the people we want to have sex with as they really are. “A hard dick has no conscience”, we say with resignation or cynical bravado. But as is so often the case, our language in this instance doesn’t so much reflect an immutable reality as it creates and maintains a distorted understanding of our nature and our potential.

The “Brown men” I met with Thursday night ran the gamut of sexual experience (we didn’t have a lot of time for the sharing of stories, but those who did “identify” did so as straight and sexually active). But to a man, they were stirred up by the topic, and most were willing to admit to immense frustration and pain with this nearly omnipresent sense that their sexuality was dangerous, potentially predatory, and, as one fellow said, only to be celebrated when tightly controlled. It reminded me of a remark I once heard from a student to the effect that “the only good penis is a soft one.” For those of us who work around issues of sexual assault, where the overwhelming majority of those assaulted are women and the overwhelming majority of those committing the transgressions are men, it’s difficult not to become angry at male sexuality as it manifests itself in our culture if not all men themselves. And for men who long to be feminist allies, finding a way to affirm their own wanting (without an assumption that they are entitled to have those wants satisfied by women) is vital.

It’s important, too, that we don’t set up a dynamic where men’s own ambivalence and shame become women’s problem to solve. I prefer to raise this issue of how male allies see their own sexuality in male-only settings. This doesn’t mean that women can’t handle hearing the truth, but it does mean that men need to begin to do the difficult work of learning to be vulnerable with other men. Men’s culturally-conditioned inability to form close and candid bonds with other men (the sort of friendships where honest conversation about sexuality can happen) drives men to become emotionally dependent on women for validation, and that dependency ends up imposing a huge burden on women. (I dealt with this in this post.) Men do need to to this difficult work with other men first, by seeking out allies where they can and doing the frequently difficult but invariably rewarding work of building male community. This doesn’t necessarily entail excluding women — it’s obviously absurd to promote the feminist cause by re-creating space into which women cannot enter. But it does mean consciously shifting the responsibility for dealing with male pain and shame away from wives and girlfriends and on to one’s community of brothers.

Men and women alike, almost all of us have “bought into” the various myths about male weakness or female frailty, at least for a time. A great many women would very much like to trust men — or at least one or two. A great many men, like the ones I listened to on Thursday night, would like to be trusted. But more than that, they want to find a way to do what Timothy Beneke points out our culture and our language will not let them do easily, and that is reconcile their lust with their empathy. They know well that the Tucker Maxs of the world praise and indulge male sexuality at a tremendous cost to women, a cost that these guys are not willing to allow others to pay on their behalf. They know too that religious conservatives (and a few minority voices in the feminist community) find nothing at all to celebrate about male sexuality. They want a middle ground between those who counsel endless self-denial and those who urge calculated selfish disregard for women’s humanity. But they don’t have many places to go to hear and talk about what that middle ground looks like.

We know what we don’t want men to be like. We know — at least many of us know — that many aspects of male sexuality are toxic and destructive. But if we’re going to build a world beyond rape, we need to find a vocabulary for desire that doesn’t rob the objects of desire of their dignity. Lust and empathy can co-exist; I’ve known it to be so in the most intimate aspects of my life and I’ve known plenty of other women and men for whom it was also so. But lots of men don’t know that this can be real in their lives, and they — and, often, the women closest to them — suffer for it.

7 thoughts on “Lust doesn’t cancel out empathy: thoughts on an all-male sexuality workshop

  1. As an unexpected widow in her early 50s, I am surprised by the number of men and women who have not talked about sex — their needs, fantasies and fears. Generally, when I bring it up, pun intended, men respond with two reactions. Some men flee, physically or emotionally. It is sad. Some men will sigh in relief. The resulting talk is illuminating and hot.
    As a therapist, not a trained sex therapist, but a generalist, men and women are relieved, enthusiastic, and happy to have a safe place to talk about sexual matters. They admit to avoiding the subject outside of the therapy room due to embarrassment mainly
    It makes me wonder what we are doing in our relationships when this important, not all consuming, but important part of our humanity is not brought forward into our love lives.

  2. I find the idea of men wanting to find something that is not either endless self denial or sociopathic dehumanization of women to be a discussion that really needs to happen more. In my own experience I have known this to be a big source of misunderstanding between men and women.

    I consider myself at the very least a feminist ally and even I am way WAY more able to articulate a good man in completely non sexual terms. You are right to say that this vocabulary needs to exist. It disturbs me that I am not entirely sure how I would describe such a way of being. I feel like I would need to do research first lol. Very unsettling.

  3. A boy I knew in 8th grade used to talk to all the girls in the class…he was a self-proclaimed “conversation slut”: he would say anything to keep the discussion going and to keep his close presence to the girls he desired….ie., he pretended to be progressive and a liberal and feminist-leaning (his mom taught him the lingo), but deep inside he hid how hot he thought we all were…Repressed guy, huh? He wrote about all his secret sexual longings in a book about his growing up….I was shocked to find out what a pervert he was at age 13 years old; if I had known I wouldn’t have even bothered to even say hello to him back then (indeed at our last HS reunion [25th], I had to keep dodging him)….is it really that hard to just have a conversation with a girl/woman without staring at her breasts and ass? His out and out leering at my ass was extremely rude (especially considering my professional position) and I just drew closer to my BFF’s to block his advances (he was so creepy and would try to come up behind me)…..At the time that I knew him didn’t think too much of his actions….but now when I think back, I realize how scheming and psychopathic and manipulative he was (all the while he was trying to make it seem like it was just casual conversation)….

  4. this workshop sounds like it would be beneficial at the post-secondary or even junior highschool level; perhaps done in conjunction with sex-ed?

    A lot of parents today are not doing a good job of parenting or talking about sex to their adolescents. And because a lot of young men learn about sex behaviors first through porn, I think this workshop would help set things straight and open up the opportunity for questions and answers that they may have. Doing this would help tremendously to reduce anxiety, aggressiveness, increase their self-esteem and all in all help build better communication and healthy relationships with the females in their lives – they will have learned and show respect.

  5. @Leia

    Welcome to a world of men who perceive sexual repression. That sounds odd, considering the well-accepted sexual double standard, but a lack of ability to actually discuss and explore sexuality results in that kind of behavior. The real question is, how do you think he should’ve acted in that situation?

    @Hugo Schwyzer
    Thanks for the post! I sometimes wish I could talk to my male peers about male sexuality, but it’s so verboten, I wouldn’t even know where to start. After reading this, I think I’ll bring up the fact that it’s verboten and see where that takes things.

  6. “And yes, men can also be survivors of sexual assault, though usually at the hands of other men rather than women”

    You keep telling yourself that Hugo. I guarantee I know vastly more victims than you can possibly imagine. Given the diversity of experiences among them this statement is both dismissive and puerile.

    ” — which may make all-male space more problematic”

    Rubbish. I’ve participated in numerous such gatherings. If you find it “problematic” your leadership skills, or your understanding of the victims themselves, are inadequate.

    I can further assure you that feminism is an utter irrelevance in those settings and plays absolutely no part. It has nothing of value to contribute.

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